Homosexuality Is NOT A Choice

[VxM Edgeworth]

tl;dr VxM's friend (or acquaintance. I know I couldn't honestly call such a person a "friend".) is an imbecile.

He's more or less someone I just check up on from time to time. I guess semi-acquaintance is more like it. He considers me his brother through God, which I can agree; however, he is a bit biased, a homo-phobe, and delusional. Get this, he wants to be a priest at that. I'm like, really? Hypocrisy at it's peak.

[BlackJack]

He's more or less someone I just check up on from time to time. I guess semi-acquaintance is more like it. He considers me his brother through God, which I can agree; however, he is a bit biased, a homo-phobe, and delusional. Get this, he wants to be a priest at that. I'm like, really? Hypocrisy at it's peak.

At least with him being a homophobe, you won't have to worry about the "Pedophile Priest" stereotype.

I guess it's a double-edged sword.

Unless he's so homophobic because he ashamed of his own homosexuality.

[VxM Edgeworth]

At least with him being a homophobe, you won't have to worry about the "Pedophile Priest" stereotype.

I guess it's a double-edged sword.

Unless he's so homophobic because he ashamed of his own homosexuality.

Yes to the first two, and questionable on the 3rd one. I think he could very well be a homosexual, but that's about 75% of the male population in this new upbringing nowadays. I don't mean to offend, but those are just made-up statistics on my behalf.

[Kikuri-Hime]

And Kikuri-Hime is simply mistaken.

But of course.

It says a lot of different things about homosexuality and everybody has an opinion about what it says. The religious implications are moot as I'm only concerned about what the book says and it's far from clear and concise. The only conclusion I think that is reasonable to come to is that the Christian God doesn't like gay people or the act of gay sex (odd). The rest seems to be debatable and merely a matter of semantics. At any rate it does encourage and offer as I said earlier a justification to persecute homosexuals which is pretty much my point. I noticed also that you mentioned Jesus a lot which leads me to conclude you are operating under the New Testament rather then the Old Testament. Now it's my understanding that the Old Testament and the barbarism from Levitcus, Deuteronomy, etc still applies to Christians. When you say convert do you mean believe in the Christian God and follow Jesus? I'm just going to assume that's what you mean because if it is you still have to follow the specified laws and guidelines. You get judged according to whether or not you follow these guidelines so it's more then just converting and getting saved you have to be Christ like. But I digress I've made my point.

[BlackJack]

Actually no. Jesus stated that the old Jewish law was to be done away with.
It had served its time and was dated. Sure, certain things carry over (10 Commandments and such), but most of the laws do not. That was one of the reasons the Jewish religious leaders hated him so much.

But regardless, it seems your point is that some people use the Bible as an excuse to persecute gays. This much is true. But then it goes back to RecycledHuman's argument that people do what they want with the Bible despite what it says.

And I'm not sure why you want to blame Christianity so much. There are tons of non-Christian homophobes, too.

[Kikuri-Hime]

Actually no. Jesus stated that the old Jewish law was to be done away with.
It had served its time and was dated. Sure, certain things carry over (10 Commandments and such), but most of the laws do not. That was one of the reasons the Jewish religious leaders hated him so much.

Don't know where you got that from, but according to Matthew Ch 5: 17-19 it says something completely different. Not to mention 1 John 5:18 says you wouldn't sin anyway if you were of God. People pick and choose what they want to follow anyway.

But then it goes back to RecycledHuman's argument that people do what they want with the Bible despite what it says.

For one the book is convoluted at some points and it leaves itself open to be misconstrued. I mean the fact that we're here arguing over what it says is proof enough. :P But people have been doing this for centuries it's nothing new. Proselytizing and converting people is nothing new. It sounds like you're saying we should be able to believe what we want to believe and everyone can keep their personal beliefs to themselves. That to me would be the perfect secular society in which laws and guidelines are made according to the best interest of everyone and not according to religious absolutes. But the biggest problem of all to me seems to be the fact that we, our society, gains the book credence and say it's the best book we have on how to be moral it should come as no surprise that people would create a society and integrate religious ideas into how their country functions.

And I'm not sure why you want to blame Christianity so much. There are tons of non-Christian homophobes, too.

I'm not at all trying to make a blanket statement as I'm well aware that there are many homophobes of all religious persuasions and some not of any religious persuasion. What I'm trying to say is religions can offer a justification for the persecution of homosexuals that is deemed cogent and acceptable by society. I realize as I said earlier it in of itself is derived from a simple paranoia of things of which you're not familiar with. You don't need religion to be homophobic at all it's plainly obvious. The Abrahamic religions (and probably others of which I may be aware of) just offer a reason that you can't reasonably persuade someone out of. As soon as someone says, "It's my religion," the conversion stops. You can't reason with them beyond that point. Anyway I've made my point and I'm content.

[BlackJack]

I say we quit this argument, too.
I'm not really qualified to make too much religious debate, anyway.

And we are WAY off-topic. XD

[Doubt]

Just want to say something about the religious thing:

Why do people classify Christians as homophobes?
That's a terrible way of thinking. I might as well then, classify all Muslims as suicide bombers, and all Germans as Nazi haters. Just because there are extremists doesn't mean that everyone even slightly considered to be in that group agrees with them. I'm Christian. I'm gay. I'm a sinner. But so is every Christian. There are only 2 people who were ever non-sinners, and they weren't Christian. I have been raised in a very loving and excepting family. My mother supports gays very damn well, and she doesn't even know I'm gay! Be it Ellen Degeneris or Philadelphia, she finds no more fault with gays then she does with herself. And any respectable Christian should.

[BlackJack]

Just want to say something about the religious thing:

Why do people classify Christians as homophobes?
That's a terrible way of thinking. I might as well then, classify all Muslims as suicide bombers, and all Germans as Nazi haters. Just because there are extremists doesn't mean that everyone even slightly considered to be in that group agrees with them. I'm Christian. I'm gay. I'm a sinner. But so is every Christian. There are only 2 people who were ever non-sinners, and they weren't Christian. I have been raised in a very loving and excepting family. My mother supports gays very damn well, and she doesn't even know I'm gay! Be it Ellen Degeneris or Philadelphia, she finds no more fault with gays then she does with herself. And any respectable Christian should.

I know it's kinda beside the point, but those two sinless people were....?

[Doubt]

I know it's kinda beside the point, but those two sinless people were....?

Jesus, and Mary. They were Jews, of course.

[BlackJack]

Jesus, and Mary. They were Jews, of course.

I figured Jesus was one. And since you said Mary, I assume you are Catholic?